here that there is nothing scientific about this experiment. and .280 Rem., to name a few. It confirms what many of us have known for a long time. Mother of All LR Primer Tests Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine. 6 rounds with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of 0000076375 00000 n At .020' thick cup metal, these primers are minimal, at best, for light .223 Remington loads. The only thing they changed was the primer. All Rights Reserved. Click Photo to read full test results in Target Shooter Magazine.. 2.6-3.5 .2090, 18 Fed Match GM150M 3.05 2.6-3.7 .2299. Read more; CCI #34 7.62mm Military Primers. Even though they dont recommend it? Out of stock. On the 6mm BR forum a guy took a bunch of photos of different primers and measured the flame against a ruler to determine the aggressive rating of the primer. Remington - 209. 22661. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. What is the pressure of a .44mag? This primer can be used in place of the SRM primer or used when a different powder is used that is hard to ignite." Large Rifle Standard Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Match King bullet, molly coated. Remington says the compound is the same as the 6, but with a thicker cup. My experience with the small rifle primers is just the opposite. 1.09K Views. You may not reproduce original text or photos without advanced permission in writing. CCI No. 210 Large Rifle Primers - 100 Count. Most important thing to find out is. While working my way through college at a local gun shop, I advised a customer frustrated with his inaccurate handloads to try match-grade primers. This is more visual and tells a good story too. 40,5. mounts. V361617. This another thing to consider in shooting. If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine. $115.00. 3.2-5.6 .5171, 15 KVB 45 LP Russian 3.89 3.3-4.2 Within every Remington primer is a group of subcomponents assembled to exceptionally tight tolerances. CCI "APS" Large Rifle Primers Strip . This is where the similarity ends. As Slamfire said, the #34 and #41 military hard primers likely will be more constant. FWIW, Dutch. Leupold LPS 3.5-14X scope in Sako mounts on it. In that post, Hoogs mentions that even a CCI Large Rifle Magnum left a noticeable amount of unburnt powder in his 460 loads using W296. This is a retype after losing the original web page. Get a deck of Remington Playing Cards for $1 with ammo purchase. different case sizes. . Primers are tested for reliability from -20 degrees F to +150 degrees F. For this we would leave some loaded rounds in the freezer, and Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. Thanks. Lauries findings will doubtless influence many hand-loaders who hope to produce more consistent ammunition, or achieve better accuracy. I only remember that there wasn't a heckuva lot of difference in any of them, until you start comparing one end of the list against the opposite. 0000010068 00000 n 4.5-7.4 .4832, 4Winchester WLRM 5.45 5.1-6.0 .2046, 5 Remington 9 1/2 LRM 5.09 3.5-6.75 .6641, 6 Winchester WLR 4.8 Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . Cases larger than that we normally used magnum primers. 506 42 AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. In bolt action rifles, not semis. Standard deviation . Now, I tend to read pressure signs from my primers first. Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. We re work up a load from a safe, published starting load. The following are with 75 grains of Reloader 19. This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. $7.99. Primer Flash Test Photos. Out-of-Stock. RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, 0000004445 00000 n RWS, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Federal 210, Federal 215 and Winchester standard and magnum LR primers. 14 Likes. We thought we would run our own test, using all the different primers that we have here. Not that I have found, and why I said "nothing". WSL. The military imposes specific upper and lower sensitivity limits. www.6mmbr.com. PRODUCT No: TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER BOX Rated 4.80 out of 5 $ 105.00. This shows the pointer after a shot has been fired. this with the others. $7.30. <<917A3329DAD4B341BF9A2FBBF1E535ED>]/Prev 194532/XRefStm 1395>> Found this from offsite search, exactly the information I need. Federal Champion No. Primer with Highest Velocity: Remington 9 LR (2815 fps) No issues with the copper cup Wolf. for the 300 Weatherby magnum. were weighed. 0000028191 00000 n However, if the trends among the primers you tested hold true across a wide variety of different powders and cartridges, it would greatly facilitate selecting a small number of different primers to keep on hand to test in the event that the first choice was unsatisfactory. What is the pressure of a .44mag? The rationale for doing side-by-side tests is to see what effect primer choice has on ballistics, i.e. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. Can you in. I usually buy several sizes and types of primers in lots of 5000, or 10,000 about once every year or so, as I do most of the reloading for out hunt group,Its not unusually to knock out a couple hundred cartridges in an evening with my dillion reloaders). of extruded Hodgdon H4831. http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2511043/m/77010865, http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=654&id=50, http://www.accuratereloading.com/primer.html. hbbd```b``:"gI~ 2.l#0qd f$3|{ 4 Large rifle primers all come with one brass thickness, a nominal 0.027" (unlike small rifle primers which vary from 0.020" to 0.025" depending on make/type). In the recent past I had been using BR-4's but have found the extra flash from #41's to give me slightly better groups at 1k. were of 50 when limited amounts were available. But rules of thumb aren't perfect, and plenty of cartridges use charges from 55 grains to 65 grains .30-06, .270 Win. Three shot groups. The ES/SD numbers will therefore be higher than is typical with five-shot strings. Clive. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Heat of explosion per gram is similar as well. LRM = Large Rifle Mag . Ive since rerun the series with .308 Win Palma brass and small primers. July 21, 2020 By Joseph von Benedikt. #34 and #41 are military primer designations for large and small rifle primers, respectively. Thanks, DR. Shotgun (209) CCI - 209. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Which is better for muzzleloading, large rifle primers or 209 primers?There are many different types of muzzleloader ignit. LR = Large Rifle . Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. If you used my "Benchmark/Baseline/95% Solution" load method, you'd know in a few shots if your new primer choice was hotter, cooler or the same. I know everyone has a favorite, and although theyre really tough to get, I would really liked to see the Wolf LR-M in that mix. Fishing Bait Chart; Hunting Camo Patterns; Guns. 0000015415 00000 n With those caveats: Forgot to add: there is no difference between the Fed 210 and the 210M except that the 210M is their match primer. Gold Medal Centerfire Primer .205. All 3 round with the RWS primer had hang fired. Winchester works to make sure all primers are reliable, instant and precise. firing 15 Nosler 130-gr. %%EOF This extensive test is an important contribution to the knowledge base of precision shooting. Large Rifle Primers; Shotshell Primers; Best Selling In PRIMERS. SP = Small Pistol . Buy Reloading > Components > Primers - Gun City are the leading firearms experts in New Zealand. Small pistol primers - which are about the same size as small rifle primers but designed specifically for handguns. Firing pin strength also seems to be a definite factor. Seems they give me good results across the board. 0000002213 00000 n 0000005537 00000 n Ranked in order of power. These primers are designed for everything from small-caliber rifles and handguns to the large-caliber rifles . might make it easier to compare the velocity at normal temperature and cold 0000004308 00000 n There are a great many views on the subject, a few based on tests (including primer flame photography) but most apparently hearsay. Laurie Holland. Match event calendar and rifle competition accuracy training tips. The Rem's had some very wild shots high and low. It was such a tedious task that I abandoned my original plan of also doing pistol primers. The cartridge remains one of the few standard-issue rimmed . It takes a Large Rifle Magnum primer to reliably light this much powder. I finally had a primer fail, just last week. We had to stop our test at this stage, as our TRG-41 got Thank you, They are very similar in their rate of propagation. 0000002481 00000 n Must add the Remington License Plate Frame to your cart, one per order. 0000053144 00000 n The barrel was 24 inches long. Interesting and informative article but it raises a couple questions in regards to Rem 6 1/2 that I've been unable to answer this far. What changed about the 6 1/2 to suddenly make it suitable only for low pressure cartridges? 2829 0 obj <> endobj By contrast to the Fiocchis, they were an almost slack fit in the cases and this may have contributed to their consistent performance. Laurie Holland. Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Thanks again for the excellent write-up and work! Size Large. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Or standard when choosing a primer the. Credit should also be given to Target Shooter Magazine for publishing the results. Small pistol and rifle primers utilize a cup 0.175" in diameter, while large pistol and rifle primers measure 0.210" across. Three shot groups. 0000027640 00000 n Federal Gold Medal Large Magnum Rifle Primer - 100 Ct. $9.39. PRIMER LEGEND . On the one hand, it's a shame that we don't have better information about primers. })(); To comment on a post, click Post Title or "Comment" Link. The Test. Sep 9, 2009. All Primers have a different Brisance. The standard primer types are pistol, pistol magnum, rifle, and rifle magnum. 0000077528 00000 n (Heat) and cause different powders to react differently. Three shot groups. Yeah yeah yeah, and matchkings won't kill a deer. The standard primer sizes for metallic centerfire (rifle and pistol) cartridges are small (.175" diameter) and large (.210" diameter). Keep to the lower end of reloading recommendations. Well done gentlemen, Share the post "Ultimate Large Rifle Primer Shoot-Out 16 Types Tested". Read more; CCI Aps Strips . 2 Winchester WAALite 37 VihtaVuori N340. Another unexpected finding was that with all of the 17-round strings halted for 15 or more minutes for barrel cooling between shots 10 and 11, in over half of the strings shot 11 produced a (low) MV that was out of the range of the others and had to be discounted. 0000077015 00000 n NRA Member..SWCA Member..Semi-Retired, But Not Dead Yet. Very interesting. PSA 300blk with some off brand remanufactered ammo. Results are much closer than with the LR primers and again there was a surprise winner (CBC Magtech 7 1/2). 0000001584 00000 n We are here to talk about primers. _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); Wolf/Tula Small Rifle 223 SR223 - #KVB-223M "This is the newest primer available in the Wolf line. This is the home made tester. 0000027388 00000 n I wish I had the original range data, but it's long gone. 0000054449 00000 n There's not a lot of variance in primer burn rate, only in quantity of powder to burn per primer. Let us start with Large Rifle Primers (LRP) vs Large Pistol Primers (LPP). Compare Compare Now. [#11] 1 Fed Match GM215M 6.12 5.23-6.8 .351. Hi Laurie, your comment re S&Bs slack fit raises my question. Both are roughly the same diameter. Three shot The main question that remains for me is how the primers results might vary between different cartridges, bullet weights, and powder loads. 5.2-6.5 .4437, 3 CCI 250 LRM 5.66 This keeps grains of powder out of the flash hole. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? Three shot groups. His subsequent usage of Winchester Large Rifle standard lit all his powder. I suspect they have a minor influence, but thats hunch not science! Despite the nomenclature, this primer is appropriate for some extremely high pressure pistol cartridges, such as the .221 Fireball and the .357 Maximum. Thanks for the insight Rocky. Read more; CCI Aps BR4 Small Rifle Benchrest (1000) $ 135.00. I thought wolf and tula were unobtanium via Russia? Some of Lauries results may surprise you. Trying to decide which primers to buy next. effects on this. These are the links to the two pages, directly. It is relative to this set of tests and this tester. HTH, Dutch. 0000028110 00000 n In firearms and artillery, the primer (/ p r a m r /) is the chemical and/or device responsible for initiating the propellant combustion that will push the projectiles out of the gun barrel.. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. And, NO! Primer Size Chart . It seems to even out the ignition by eliminating a variable (sometimes with grains in and sometimes without CCI 400 primers are designed for .22 Hornet, .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, and .222 Remington loads: NOT for .223 Remington! Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Federal - 209A. chart, http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/ammunition_st_mamotaip_200909/, http://www.castingstuff.com/primer_testing_reference.htm. Of the others, there WAS a relation between weight and power. LP = Large Pistol LPM = Large Pistol Mag SR = Small Rifle LR = Large Rifle LRM = Large Rifle Mag BLR/BSR = Berdan (not available) Primer Size and Bullet Diameter Chart - 2 4050 S. Clark, Mexico, MO 65265 www.grafs.com 800-531-2666 32 Short Colt .313 SP 32 Winchester Special .321 LR 32-20 WCF .312 SR 32-40 WCF .320 LR 325 Winchester Short . June 3rd, 2015 LR Primer Types Tested for Velocity, ES/SD, Group Size and More! mounts. My Components; My Loading Data; All User Loading Data; Components . The redesigned metal parts improve sensitivity and reduce seating force. Thanks ! endstream endobj startxref (The total velocity spread for all primers was 35 fps). We just wanted to 0000027667 00000 n Those extra heavy tended to be stronger, and light were weaker. It was topped with a Leupold 6.5-20X scope in Leupold We picked this load because it shot reasonably 547 0 obj <>stream Match event calendar and rifle competition accuracy training tips. And standard primers. Primer Testing Reference. It was also years ago and things may have changed. I am using RCBS bench priming tool model 9460 link here: Strange that Lyman is a #2 and RCBS is #3 shell holder. Up to 6,000 psi difference just by changing primer brands. It has a 27-inch barrel, and we installed a I learned Cci 400 and cci 550 are the same! Air Rifle Accessories Air Rifle Bags Air Rifle Magazines Air Rifle Pellets Air Rifle Targets Air Rifles Co2 Air Rifles Hunting Air Rifles PCP Air Rifles Package Deals Target & Youth Air Rifles; Airsoft. LPM = Large Pistol Mag . Large Rifle Primers Fed 215 WLRM CCI 250 Rem 9 M WLR F210 CCI BR2 CCI 200 Rem 9 Small Rifle Primers Fed 205 Rem 7 WSRM Fed 200 WSR CCI BR4 CCI 400 Rem 6 1/2 Cameron. You will have match. Originally designed for the bolt-action Mosin-Nagant rifle, it was used during the late tsarist era and throughout the Soviet period to the present day. Add to Wishlist. http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=56422.0, http://www.mpzflame.ru/production/primers/, www.sinclairintl.com/product/11248/Primer-Pocket-Tools, https://www.rcbs.com/priming/bench-mounted/automatic-priming-tool/16-9460.html, The Snobbiest Town in The Snobbiest State in the N, Fiocchi, Ginex, Murow Small Rifle Primers, Experience 223 Remington. Five round with the RWS primers hang fired, including 2 of well in this rifle before, and we did the same with VVN 540, as it is supposed Winchester Reloading Small Pistol Magnum Primers. Non-corrosive, all weather primers deliver fast, dependable ignition under any shooting condition. So, the short version is, use the primer recommended in the recipe. I just remembered people liking them. Or a small primer pocket. This is on a DMS (don't mean squat) scale. Primer with Smallest Group Size: Remington 9 LR (0.43 average, three 5-shot groups) TYPE OF PRIMER USED FOR PCS PER GRATING GRATINGS PER BOX BOXES PER CASE WEIGHT PER CASE; kg lb; V360157: Small Pistol 4,4 Boxer: . Most of the tests were of 100 or more primers. 'Berdan' and 'Boxer' layouts and primer components. %PDF-1.6 % I used the CCI large pistol magnums primers, and they performed just like rifle primers, they didn't peirce, or flatten, ignited the rifle powder just fine. Three shot groups. Quest for Less Vertical Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Vertical Dispersion Test Six Primer Types Tested at 500 Yards, Primer Availability Report Wolf Primers Have Arrived, Primer Comparison Testing with 6 BRA at 500 Yards. Buy in store-Limit 2. I use cci 400 for my AR with great success ! $8.09. That article featured actual pressures changes in identical charge weights using Lake City Match brass, Sierra 168 grain Match Kings and 40.5 grains of IMR-4895. But if you cant spare the time right now, here are some highlights below: Primer with Lowest Velocity: Remington 9 M Magnum (2780 fps) In this case, it was a Federal large rifle magnum. My .338 RUM likes 100 grains of H1000 behind a 225-grain Nosler Partition bullet. coated. 0000028040 00000 n It is obvious that the thicker cups will withstand more pressure. Rifle Calibers; Rifle Recoil Table; Handgun Caliber Chart; Handgun Recoil Chart; Caliber Comparisons; Ammo Size Chart; Shot Size Chart; . Doesn't appear to work. The following loads were with 48 grains of VVN 550 powder, Thanks! Large rifle primers - which measure about .128 inches in height and .212 inches in width. Good read! things might turn out. $11.99. Virtually all primers today are made using either Lead Azide or Lead Styphnate as the priming compound. Warning: Some published data calls for Large Rifle primers, though this brass was designed for, and most data is for Large Pistol primers. The shot is fired against a weight which in turn moves a pointer. Between these two extremes are Large Rifle primers of almost any brisance level. Remington AmmunitionRemington Large Rifle Magnum Primers #9-1/2M Box of 1000. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 0000053407 00000 n Add to cart. CCI BR2 and the Fed 's were the most even of the common ones. Sometimes I hand seat with a Sinclair tool and sometimes I seat using the press. 0000000016 00000 n The biggest surprise to me came from an elderly (at least 10 years) lot of Czech Sellier & Bellot standard caps with an ES of 12 and SD of 3.1 fps, way below those of the nearest competitor. $47.99: NA: Notify: Midway: Winchester Large Rifle Magnum Primers 8-1/2M. One of the frozen rounds with the CCI BR 2 hang fired. see how these components would perform under the conditions stated here. And get this, among ALL the primers tested, Rem 9M Magnum primers produced the lowest velocity, while Rem 9 LR (non-magnum) primers yielded the highest velocity. If the brass has a large. You are using an out of date browser. Remington HTP .38 SPC 110-Grain Ammunition - 50 Rounds . ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. Out of stock. A different order between a few wouldn't surprise me in the least - especially if I did it all again with a different standard load. Three shot groups. CCI primers offer the reloader clean, reliable ignition. LP = Large Pistol . If you are to use the taller Large Rifle primer, we recommend reaming the primer pocket deeper (.125"-.132"). in red which was frozen over night and then shot. The last row in each table shows the 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. And small you have Magnum. is a double base powder, same bullet and brass. 0000015334 00000 n They can cause primer piercing within stout loads in .223 Remington applications. One new winner* is announced every week! The following loads are with 45.2 grains of BL-C 2, same hb``Pc`` It stands to reason that such cusp cartridges, as I like to call them, would have . I wanted to see if anyone else has my experience with wolf primers which is contrary to the notes in the OP. We thought of doing the test on 4 different case sizes. Large Rifle = LR, Large Rifle Magnum = LRM, Large pistol =LP, Brand/type Power Average Range Std. All the following groups were 3 shots at 100 yards, I wrote Take them with a grain of salt and as a guide only. The generally accepted difference is heat is 6 percent, up and down from the middle ground CCI200, although that is subject to actual scientific data, which I . . His varmint bullets are absolutely fantastic. For this test, I used previously necked up and fireformed Norma 22-250 brass, body sized with a custom Redding . It's higher than 30-30, and not much less than the 30-06. $79.99: 45 wks ago: Notify: Midway: CCI Large Rifle 7.62mm NATO-Spec Military Primers 34. Three shot groups. The test stand used in the link would be a good way to do this because it doesn't need powder and only measures the primer itself. Handloader Magazine does it every once in a while. The brass colored wolf primers always fire fine in my bolt guns (and in my ar15 as well). Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. We have found the This may be the most comprehensive and thorough LR primer test ever done. Type: Small Rifle Match. same bullet and brass. There really is no such chart. A good question Clive! NOTE: This data is reference only. Must add the Federal Dry Bag to your cart, one per order. Interesting that the CCI BR2 was running hotter than the CCI 200. $7.99. And standard both Magnum. 0 Stronger hit is probably more consistent. The following are with 95 H 5010. Add to Wishlist. 0000053794 00000 n 30H32. Get a Federal Dry Bag for $2 with ammo purchase. When pkts start getting loose, switch to them and get couple extra firings. Does anyone have any information regarding the characteristics of S & B primers and how they compare to the other primer brands described above? If you shoot a .308 Win, or any cartridge that uses a Large Rifle (LR) primer, you should read an important new article by Laurie Holland in Target Shooter Magazine.Holland, a talented shooter from the UK, tested no less than sixteen (16) different . Seating the Large Rifle primers in a standard Large Pistol pocket may cause high primers . Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. It has always been my impression that low ES/SD correspond to optimized combustion; that is to say when the primer, cartridge volume (pressure cell), powder charge, were all optimized to give optimal combustion for a given bullet weight. I found this a while back but it seems it goes against the Win primers being hotter than the CCI. xref Note the spreads. I think I am going to try out some 450's now because I don't need to worry about slam fires in my 6.5x47L and they tend to be cheaper. Listed From Fastest to Slowest: 1 NORMA R1 36 Winchester WSF. once fired Weatherby brass and the Sierra 190-grain Match King bullet, molly Many handloaders think the 215 is still the hottest commercial rifle primer, but the CCI and Winchester magnum rifle primers are just as hot, if not a little hotter. Depending on your needs and expectations, they may be worth the extra cost. Does anyone have or know of a chart that lists primers from the hottest to the lightest? Large rifle primers all appear to have the same cup thickness, no matter what the type. So what's the difference? Add to Wishlist. Total group size variance (from best to worst) was 0.27. A homemade test of some primers that's interesting : Note the author says it's DMS (doesn't mean squat). Compare Compare Now. $5.03. Fiocchi Large Rifle Primers. . Most basic there are large rifle primers. NOTE: Values in chart are based on 15-Shot strings. 18,4. Not that I've ever seen. var _gaq = _gaq || []; shoot them as a group, noting both the velocity and the accuracy, and compare CCI "APS" Large Pistol Primers Strip No. Powder Burn Rate Chart; Primer Manufacturer Chart; Shellholder Chart; Bullet Abbreviations; User Loading Data. 6mmBR.com is the best guide for 6mm BR Benchrest precision shooting, complete with 6BR FAQ, Reloading Data, Shooter Message Boards, Reader Polls, and Photo Gallery. This means a LRP will not seat flush or below the face of the case head in a pistol cartridge . 0000001157 00000 n 0000003606 00000 n Store For Availability. $5.19. average of all the 4 groups above it. Very good read. average velocities and MV consistency. $12.99. to be similar in burning rate. Since then almost every company has changed their primers. WHILE MAGTECH BRAND PRIMERS HAVE NOT BEEN IMPORTED AND OFFERED FOR SALE THROUGH AUTHORIZED CHANNELS FOR SEVERAL YEARS, THERE ARE STILL SUBSTANTIAL QUANTITIES REMAINING IN RELOADER'S INVENTORIES. calcified pineal gland symptoms,