There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. In a world of "innovative" guns, this truly is an innovated design and a step in the right direction for the future of pistols. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Sep 20, 2021 613 571 Idaho. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. And thats just my opinion. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. And have the dropping 320 go off? The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Sig P320 discharge while holstered. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . You have entered an incorrect email address! Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? And they would not have done that for no reason at all. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. Who function tests their firearm 1) with a round in the chamber, and 2) when its pointed at an extremity? On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. That focus drifts. No autographs, No self taken pictures. These suits allege that their ultra-popular P320 pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. Great job, this threat needed some levity! Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. I also have a manual safety. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. 01:10. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. Yaaay! The P320 pistol is a dog. Sig, take this firearm off the market, and recall. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. 3. . UPDATE:We were just made aware of YouTuber BoomStick Tactical who produced this video the day before our post published. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost . Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Funny how that works. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. It did not originally have this. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. (unless theyre SWAT or something). It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Theres a couple of possibilities. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. Its just dumb enough to sound like the plot to a damned Disney film. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Thats fine. It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment.